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- From: philrob@ix.netcom.com(Phil Roberts, Jr.)
- Newsgroups: alt.paranormal,talk.religion.newage,sci.skeptic,alt.astrology,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.religion,wicca,alt.out.of.body
- Subject: Re: Astrology: Heads full of stars
- Date: 21 Jun 1996 03:13:47 GMT
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- In <4qd20g$k32@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> bartma12@ix.netcom.com(Bart
- Scott) writes:
- >
- >>>I've gotten just about all I need out of this
- >>> thread. Be it in the stars or in the rhythm of life.
- >>> A pattern can be seen and, to a degree, charted.
- >------------
- >>I'm sure you get the point, then, and I agree with what you say here,
- >as far as it goes. We *do* have lots of little patterns in our lives
- >that are more or less cyclic, but that "more or less" part is
- >*crucial*. The inputs that affect those cycles make it chaotic in the
- >long term, except where there's some sort of external or artificial
- >synchronizing influence-- such as the moon and thus tides synching up
- >human activity in fishing villages, social constructs like
- >>calendars and clocks deliminating the seven-day week, rush-hour,
- >holidays, etc.
- >>
- >>Jim
- >------------
- >One person's patterns bang into another person's patterns who's
- >patterns have been affected by another person's patterns who's
- patterns
- >have been touched by weather patterns which have been affected by
- other
- >weather patterns which was caused by tides which were caused by big
- >round things in the sky which were caused by "God Knows What".
- >
- >Gimme a break!!!!!!!!!!!! It's like you are trying to turn me into an
- >astrologer just to defend myself! Let me make this clear - I am not
- an
- >astrologer - nor am I a weatherman (is there a correlation here?
- >MMMMMMMmmmmmmmm...could be...). Have you ever turned on your little
- >magic box only to see a pretty young jeenie inside who tells you it's
- >going to be a bright happy sunshiney day that weekend? Then, as you
- >foollowed that prediction, did you find yourself gasping for life as
- >you treaded water next to your capsized sailboat in a hail storm on
- the
- >very predicted day of joy? Yet we all give meteorologists money, GOOD
- >money, to predict the future for us. Shall we call them all frauds?
- >People's gullible belief in weather predictions have cost some their
- >lives. Should we stop the chicanery of meteorology?
- >
- >I tried to get out of this thread gracefully. Are you sure you want to
- >drag me back into it? People will believe in what they want to
- believe
- >in. You are not obligated to save the world.
- >
- >Bart
- >
-
- I've long felt that astrology was just has to be bunk. I mean, how can
- any natural factor possibly be the least bit affected by whether a
- human baby is inside or outside of the womb. Its madness.
-
- Or so I thought. Recently I obtained a copy of 'The Oxford Companion
- to the Mind' and you'll never guess what it says about astrology,
- certainly the most unlikeliest of disciplines to have any veracity.
- It says "the hits are striking enough to be worth closer investigation.
- In a case like this, the obviously sensible method is statistical"
-
- Not only that, but later in the article is cites some recent
- experiments by a dude name Krafft. I don't know who he is, but I do
- know who they asked to examine the results. None other than H. J.
- Eysenck, a strict behaviorist, as reactionary a fellow on empiricism as
- you are likely to find, and frequent presenter in 'The Behavioral and
- Brain Sciences', one of the most eminent hard science approach journals
- you are going to find in the psycho-philosophical realm.
-
- "H. J. Eysenck was asked to check the results. He agreed, apparently
- with expectation that they would prove to be invalid; and was equally
- surprised to find that they were positive. ... Eysenck (1979) states:
- "The results were extremely clear-cut and so significant that the
- effects were not produced by chance". "But Esyenck, like Gauguelin, is
- careful to state that he does not consider these results !prove!
- astrology; rather, he says, they should be regarded as the possible
- foundation of a new science of astrobiology."
-
- Is that heavy or what?
-
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